Firstly if this is in the wrong area of the forum I apologise & could a mod move it to the correct area please?
Well last night the order of the magi in Manchester hosted paul voodinis Victorian seance lecture & what a treat it was.
This was my first time meeting Paul & on first impressions he comes across as a very friendly nice guy who is happy to chat to anybody.
His lecture started with an introduction to the history of Victorian seances, with pictures on a projector, he gave many references for us to google & do our own research.
He demonstrated many techniques used by fraudulent mediums in that era, many of which are still used today. He brought along some props such as spirit trumpet, tambourine, metronome, spirit slates etc. He showed us a book test & how spirit slates were originally used.
He has so much useful knowledge which can be applied to many areas of magic/mentalism I do believe he could've literally spoke for hours & hours after the lecture ended.
If you get the chance to see paul lecture it is definitely not to be missed. I learnt so much from him last night he has genuinely inspired to want to create a show using the information he gave us.
Honestly I can't wait to attend more of his events.
Post by Hypnoheadhacker on Sept 27, 2017 18:03:51 GMT
I wish I could go to his lecture in Derby in October, but unfortunately I can't make it. Paul has got some fantastic PDFs and a lot of them are also on an MP3 audiobook too. I can recommend his audiobooks available from his website
If the lecture is as good as the interview he did on the Séances and Spookshows Podcast(which I strongly suggest you listen to), then, in my opinion it is quite good. His aproach is all about ungimmicked stuff. To plant the seeds of suggestion and guide the participants to the best results. Who needs electronics anyway? Tell them a good story, set the mood and let the participants do the rest. Even if we use props to acomplish an effect (like a book test, or a switch box, or spirit slates...), if we make it look like we have nothing to do with it, as if the spirits did it, the effect will be a lot stronger. I myself was surprised when I first tried it. The first thing I noticed when I tried this type of aproach was they didn´t ask "how did you do it?", they asked "how is it possible?". Just something you may find useful to know... By the way, I don´t have a single bizarre magic book or dvd, and I never bought any bizarre magic prop\effect. I learned all I know (on bizarre magic) from reading threads on forums, from podcasts (mystic menagerie, dragon skull, and Seánces and Spookshows podcast) and from performing. I am not a genius, far from it, and I am not better than any other. I simply use my imagination instead of my money. I always found that aproach to be more productive... Its is not easy, believe me, but to me, it is more rewarding. My piece "the Messenger" cost me less than 5 euros to produce and it takes at least 10 minutes of performance. It consists of an Equivoque like effect, pendulum work, and to finish, a spirit message. 3 effects that can be made to play a lot longer (and for 5 euros). Compare that with the hundreds of dollars\pounds people spend on a simple effect... Don´t get me wrong, there are wonderful products on the market, but what I see the most on the community are people who spend Money, Money, Money, and use little Creativity, Creativity, Creativity... My strongest suggestion is to find a good story (or even better, create it) and to use something as simple as glass moving or pendulum work to test this idea. Then, if you find there is something missing, you can add one or two effects, the simplest the better, spirit slates, a book test, something you can do anywhere, without elctronics. I believe Voodini would agree with my point of view. In essence, keep it simple and all about the story, the participants and the experience. I hope this helps. All the best!
Francis, I've now read a few of your posts and much as i respect your opinions, I think it might be worth baring in mind you are on Lebanon Circle's site. You have said you have never bought anything from LC and think any gimmicks and electronics are pointless. This is a fair enough opinion, but if you had a site that sold pendulums, you'd have every reason to be a bit put off if someone came on your site and said pendulums were useless, no one is fooled by this and you'd be better employing your efforts elsewhere. This sort of opinion piece might be better on Magic Cafe rather than a forum that is part of a business site selling the very things you advocate shunning. I use both types of tactic in my seance and stage work. I have found over the years that there is no such thing as a typical audience and single approach to entertaining an audience. As a result I have found a place for both gimmicked and non-gimmicked equipment in my work. I own both of Dan's Dolly Darkos, electronic and non-electronic, and spirit cabinets (electronic stage), and use them for different types of shows. It would never cross my mind to say to someone that their approach was wrong or unnecessary. It'd cross my mind first to wonder if maybe i was simply just not seeing a business opportunity to access another audience market.
Yes, good storytelling is the primary drive in this work and scene setting is vital, but let's not pretend one size fits all. Pendulum work and ungimmicked effects are great, but you watch a half decent close-up magician work a room with sponge balls, three bits of rope and an ambitious card routine and you'll see a lay audience amazed. Does that mean this holy trinity is the peak of close-up and anything that veers from there (God forbid the gimmicked invisible deck!) is effete? Of course not, and I can't think of a single booker who would be enticed by the sale's pitch of, "And I don't use a single gimmick in my set. My props cost little more than a round of drinks." Dan's equipment and that of several others in the field are a thing of beauty and as such give an audience a sense of quality and authenticity. Any professional magician worth their salt will add them to their sets not as is, but as a part of their own imagined routines and stories. I, too, make and create a lot of my own stuff, but there are things way beyond my basic DIY skills that Dan and others do so amazingly well. I tire sometimes of the 'my way or the highway' snobbery some have in our craft. If you can earn a living from it, leave your audiences wanting more and rebooking you, then who can possibly say you'd be better doing it their way? I'm glad you earn a good living from non-gimmicked sets. I love that there are audiences who enjoy this sort of act. I'm also pleased people like Lebanon Circle cater for others who want something a little more. Long may both attitudes thrive.
Dear Kyle, please read my post carefully. In no part of it do I mention the use of gimmicks or expensive products is pointless. That is all in your interpretation of what you believe my words mean. I am a friend of Dan´s, and I praise his work anytime I can, for he is not only a good friend and a worderful artist\ creator, but an all around gentleman as I have rarely had the good fortune of knowing. I have my own opinions, and I value more the whole creation\performance than the performance of something simply bought from another. In the end it is all down to the performer. Some can do wonders with a product bought, others feel uncorfortable with it and preffer to create their own material. Thank you for participating.
Dear Kyle, I was to remain silent, but the fact is you made several remarks about me, my character and my integrity as a gentleman, which deeply hurt and offend. You accuse me of saying to people that their aproach is wrong or unnecessary. I never did so, in fact I offered my help in several occasions to several people here, one of those, about Prof BC´s RCGK, a haunted key effect. By your line of tought about me, I shun this type of prop. That idea is erroneous. I deeply admire all of Prof BC´s creations, which are not only a reference in our community, but also inspirations to me. The same for Dan´s work. You accuse me of hurting is business with my opinions, when I take every possible oportunity to praise him, his work and business, having recommended his work and products to people who asked me where to find good bizarre magic effects and props. In fact, Ghosts of Great Britain, a wonderfull effect and prop created by Dan features the Highgate Cemetery Vampire, which was suggested by me. If I was so much against it all, wouldn´t I keep to myself and shy away from such things? If I was hurting his business and forum, wouldn´t Dan have said something to me? Wouldn´t anyone? You also accuse me of being arrogant, a tyrant ("my way or the highgway") and of being a snob. I was here for months begging people to participate, to keep this fórum alive. I alone kept this fórum going by my posts and by begging people to take part of it. The very few who participated, became my friends, and people to whom I gave all I could in creativity, opinions and ideas. You came here, and instead of contributing with something constructive to the community you take a round of undeserved punches at me. May I ask who are you, what have you done for this community, and what entitles you to atack me in such a fashion? I shared vídeos of my performances, contributed with opinions, ideas and suggestions, I shared a PDF I wrote (for free), and did all I could to keep this fórum alive. I am also shocked that Kellerman, a person with whom I exchanged several messages here, and whom I thought was a friend, liked your post, when much of what you did was slander my good name. I never thought he would think such things about me. He never expressed such opinions to me. I am through with this. I will remain on the fórum until December, to give oportunity to anyone wanting to contact me, and then I will retire from this fórum.